By - MachaMagic
Just give us the verdict, my phone is gonna die
lower the brightness immediately!
It’s already in FIA brightness mode
That is VERY dim
Can't phone under Parc fermé
Kill all apps running in the background besides Reddit!
Low battery mode
slow button mode
I can't get the reddit on extreme battery saver
Bono my phone’s gone
thats the penalty
Set phasers to stun!
Do a charge lap
Give us the verdict or I'm gonna die.
Enable battery magic
Put it in Flight mode and switch on the WiFi
Turn off blutooth
Bono, my battery!
Red bull takes your wings
Super Max breaks them!
Or gives you the strength to break them
If I read the word parc ferme once more I SWEAR TO GOD....
Technically it's 2 words.
Why I oughta
This is the sort of pedantry I live for
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
>Parc Ferme Rules
> 1) You can’t just be up there and just breakin’ parc ferme like that.
> 1a. parc ferme is when you
>1b. Okay well listen. A park ferme is when you park the
>1c. Let me start over
>1c-a. The driver is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, car, that changes the car from being, you know, how it was. You can’t do that.
>1c-b. Once the drvier is out of the car, he can’t be over here and say to the other, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna check your wing! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.
>1c-b(1). Like, if you’re out of the car and then see someone else's car, you're still out of the car. You cannot not be out of the car. Does that make any sense?
>1c-b(2). You gotta be, done with the session, and then, until you just go to the garage.
>1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can still be in the area up here, like this, but then there’s the parc ferme you gotta think about.
> 1c-b(2)-b. Enrico Fermi hasn’t been in any history books in forever. I hope he wasn’t typecast as that atom guy in Chicago.
>1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, he was at Columbia too! That would be even worse.
>1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A parc ferme is when the session is over and, as determined by, you know, the car has to, you know, be how it was
>2) Do not break parc ferme please
What is this a crossover episode?
Top tier memery happening right here.
There is a similar pasta for the baseball balk rules
Yes, hence the crossover episode.
/r/baseball is leaking.
"Well I didn't expect this kind of Spanish inquisition."
Makes more sense than the actual
What has Giovinazzi's dad got to do with this.
Okay but is Bottas getting a new engine?
Not even the car lmao
…..very nice mental image that
how are they going to get it inside Bottas?
"Okay Valtteri, bend over the desk, grab the other end of it..."
It’s only 1.6 liters he can just open wide
Otherwise Lewis will be lonely at the back
Asking the real questions here
That's quite an engineous idea!
Why? Am i missing something?
Mercedes have been given permission to run a different wing all weekend before the FIA comes to a decision.
The decision comes up after the race to start from pitlane.
Only thing more likely is Seb being penalized
and Bottas taking a new engine just as a precaution
I wonder if the FIA are looking at Hamilton's FP2 results to see if they indicate whether the wing was opened for the entire qualifying or if it was potentially damaged. I don't think it was, and it's likely that he'll be stuck starting from pitlane, but as the Stewards the pressure on you is about as heavy as is possible, so I'd assume they're looking at every single possible bit of information.
I can’t imagine the meltdown
Mercedes: "Can we have the wing back?"
Stewards: "It's OUR wing now"
That makes sense but how can it take so long to make a decision
They have to give a decision before Sprint I think. Maybe they are deliberating?
For more suspense... /s
They're thinking real hard on how to wash Merc out of this
Pretty sure Vettel has 4, not 2.
He meant 2x2
JUST TELL US IF ITS A PIT LANE START FOR FUCKS SAKE
FIA just gonna keep it and hope everyone forgets.
It's called the 'British Museum method of conflict resolution'.
I think so too... They'll still probably DSQ the quali result, meaning Hamilton will start from last in sprint quali, but they'll say that since we impounded the wing, we give them permission to change the wing without breaking parc ferme... So, no pit lane start required.
The likely outcome, if they do that, would be that Hamilton probably starts somewhere around 15th-16th tomorrow in the race instead from the pits.
Well, qualifying yesterday was to set the grid for the sprint today, so it's all about where he starts the sprint at. I can see the argument for a pit lane start tomorrow but, the qualifying session that the infringement happened in was for the sprint not the GP itself.
What a fucking clownshow. It's been 12 hours and they can't rule on how wide an opening is on a wing. How can you be THIS incompetent
They're just trying to word it so that in the end, nothing to the championship happens
Just like at Silverstone, result/outcomes in the championship should be irrelevant. This is pretty cut and dry stuff
If it was someone like vettel they would have decided yesterday.. The outcome obviously matters way too much to FIA so they should just stop bullshiting with that
It does not. Lewis wrecked Max and he got 5 seconds and is the only reason he has a chance in this championship. There's your proof that result doesn't matter and if they change their mind here that's unacceptable
I still cannot believe that after all this time there are still a subset of fans that think Lewis got a 5 second penalty at Silverstone.
It was 10 seconds for fuck sake and he outdrove it, please just deal with it and move on
OH I'M SO SORRY 10 SECONDS MY BAD. SO MUCH WORSE
And here is the basis of the problem, it's conveniently never a big enough penalty so you can continue to play the FIA bad card when it comes to Merc/Lewis penalties.
I agree, but the FIA might not
If they give special allowance here we should all stop watching F1
You say that, but let's be honest we won't.
Just like us all saying we shouldn't race in countries with bad human rights, none of us are switching off for the rest of the season.
lmfao spoken like someone that's never watched a sport before
You do realize that the only reason there is a championship fight in the first place is because the FIA arranged for it to be so, right? This wouldn't be anything new.
I'm fully expecting a nothing verdict here so it continues as though nothing has happened
It's a decision that will weight heavily on the championship. I don't care if it takes them a bit more time as long as it is fair. Better safe than sorry.
The longer it takes the more I'm concerned it won't be a fair decision tbh.
A rule is a rule, it shouldn’t matter if it affects the championship or not. You break the rule, you face the established consequences. If not, this is just setting a very bad future precedent.
It is gross incompetence it's taken this long.
This ain't it, 4/10 F5
Monday morning, FIA: Hamilton should have had started from pit lane.
We should have a decision by Monday
Good..Give decision now
JUST TELL US
Parc ferme rules clearly state that the wing must be replaced by one of equally illegal specification.
Yup how the fuck
Damn, we want news
Yes, Chris Medland told us.
The other wing is still in naughty wing prison
So we have a Verdict?
FIA: *Well yes, but actually no*
How have they still not taken a decision??
I mean it's either a technical infringement or not, they should be more decisive, they can't run away from this decision
This is getting ridiculous
The wing is jailed without bail.
Wth.. Break one rule to avoid breaking another
They're not breaking a rule. The FIA have given them permission to use another wing for second practice.
Yeah but it's no sense. They can also give the permission to install a rocket ship engine on the alpine of alonso, but it's not how it works. I'm pretty sure all the paddock is very pissed, especially the small teams
We're not talking about adding a rocket engine to a car though, we're talking about replacing a rear wing with another legal rear wing, purely for the practice session.
This new wing is most likely of the same spec as the one removed, and as such, is perfectly legal to be fitted to the Merc. Exactly the same as if a team was replacing a wing that was damaged in qualifying.
That wing allowed them to beat the 2nd mercedes by 5 tenths, it's not something you replace so easy. Btw you have a fair point, but at that point I don't understand why they don't already penalized mercedes if the wing wasn't legal
I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. Changing parts for an identical spec was always allowed under Parc Ferme with FIA supervision. That's how people fix broken parts after qualifying.
What this means is that the wing spec itself is legal, and the wing ran in qualy probably had a defect that made it open a bit wider.
Especially the small teams? Why would they care? They aren’t battling Mercedes.
Because maybe one day they would like to battle with them, just saying. Even rb has some problems to let an illegal wing to be penalized, so maybe sauber next year will have even more problems if they will be the only team to compete with mercedes/rb/ferrari
Does it really matter for fp2 though? So far not a free switch for a competitive session
It does for Mercedes, they might have to change setup if they have to use another wing.
Yeah.. It does because quality happened already right.
This isn't actually breaking a rule. You can run different configurations in practice, this doesn't mean they can run this wing in the race without needing to start from the pitlane. Benson's tweet is either phrased poorly or he's wrong. Medland explains it better:
>It's a practice session, so it doesn't necessarily have to be damaged or broken to be replaced at this point. That change doesn't suggest anything in terms of an outcome, before anyone reads too much into it! #F1 #BrazilGP
Ok it is FP, but it's after quali. So they can't change anything. Or am I wrong?
"**How does Parc Ferme work?**
Rules forbid the changing of major components in Parc Ferme to avoid teams moving to create special ‘qualifying cars’ while also limiting the number of hours required for preparing the car for the following day.
However, some wriggle room on car reconfiguration is permitted to make Saturday’s FP2 session more useful.
For safety reasons, teams can change brake friction material for a new, identical set that was used in qualifying and F1 Sprint ahead of the Grand Prix. Brake ducts can be changed, too.
Allowances have been made for power unit and gearbox cooling adjustments should the ambient temperature change significantly (a change of 10C or more recorded by the FIA’s appointed weather service provider) while weight distribution may be altered.
Should a front wing be damaged in F1 Sprint, for example, and the team has run out of latest specification front wings, they can run a previously used specification without penalty. Previously a change of specification, either for a new or older component, would have triggered a penalty.
Between qualifying and F1 Sprint, teams are permitted to change or adjust suspension elements – springs and dampers – or alter camber, toe or ride height of suspension components defined in Article 10.3 of the Technical Regulations."
They can, if it's identical spec and FIA have to supervise the change.
FP2 is under park ferme on sprint weekends with some minor allowances
FP2 is not under Parc Ferme as your own link shows:
>The cars will then enter Parc Ferme after FP1, **before being released for FP2**, which will take place on Saturday morning. Here, they will be able to use one set of tyres, of their choice.
>They will then return to Parc Ferme ahead of F1 Sprint, before being placed back in the quarantined environment overnight ahead of Sunday’s race.
If it wasn't under parc ferme then the teams would have had full reign on changing car setup which they don't. They can change parts to the same/older spec however, but my understanding is that they have to get the FIA approval regardless. Which is what Merc did. See "How does Parc Ferme work" section.
If cars weren't under parc ferme in FP2 we would have had car setups specifically for quali, and a setup change for sprint/race
No, they'd have to change them back for the (sprint) race. You can experiment during FP2 but not use any of that in subsequent sessions, which is why it usually doesn't happen. FP2 is not under Parc Ferme, everything around it is.
> Much of this weekend involves doing normal race weekend things in a different order. Parc Fermé is one of those. As usual, Parc Fermé conditions will be imposed the first time the car leaves the garage in Q1 – which, in the context of this weekend, means shortly after 18:00 on Friday evening. After this, the mechanical configuration of the car is fixed: no changes to any set-up parameters; no fitting different bodywork etc.
> There are a few tweaks to the parc fermé regulations with a little more leeway on things like replacing brakes, or fitting older-spec bodywork without penalty (if you biff all of your latest-generation front wings in sprint quali, you can fit an older model for the race without having to start from the pit lane) – but, in essence, your set-up work is wrapped up before the sun goes down on Friday
[Red Bull's article before Silverstone.](https://www.redbull.com/int-en/redbullracing/f1-sprint-explained) So yes, your setup is fixed after quali on Friday.
I thought this was it lmaoo
The scenes if he tops FP
This decision is taking long good god
Everyone will have to replace their F5 keys after this whole thing lmao
I think max won't finish on Sunday, someone is going to take him out.
Why is it taking so long for a verdict? Isn't it quite clear cut since it fail the ball test?
What if he gains even more time?
I wasn't planning on watching any of Americas races yet here I am watching FP2 😩
Toto: *opens the crate marked "safe rear wing, only use if fia are nearby"*
How is this still going on..
They re not going to to anything imo, mercs are so deep in the fia that they are the ones running it.
Fia is just trying to find an excuse not to punish them.
If there is no appropriate penalty for Ham, there is no point even continue watching the sport. It's just a mercedes series.
Half a sec in a redbull track, with an illegal wing and who knows what else, and they ll walk away.
This is all clearly Bottas fault. He was alongside Max and didn't defend Lewis car.
Leave Bottas out of it. This clearly Marcus Ericsson’s doing.
So they can use a different (new) one, obtain info using the new one and its still under “parc ferme”? Lol
god you are sad
Silverstone, pitstop directive, must I go on?
This year's regs were there to fuck Merc lmao
Dude calm down. It’s just a free practice. They have allowed him to bolt on another wing so he can take part in said free practice. The illegal wing is still compounded so he can’t use that one.
absolutely ridiculous from the fia
ANDREW NOT NOW
As long as he pays the consequences for it if the old one is found to be illegal or is forced to mount the old one if found legal
What a farce
This is a certified bruh moment
Can't wait for Red Bull to complain about this lol
Man this is embarrassing
Wonder which setup they will use. Only a couple of minutes before we find out
Come on stewards, just tell us something right now
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN
How big is the chance they will make a verdict during the fp? Can i let my phone rest?
Not that high. We can probably expect it before the sprint or the actual race
Is this the drama that guy with the Oscar in Mexico was writing for Hamilton?
They should make Hamilton try and match or exceed his qualifying time with a new wing in FP2 to see if there was any advantage.
How long will this keep going onnnnnn
Was there a change in regulations for the sprint weekend regarding parc ferme? [As per this article](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-new-sprint-qualifying-format-including.1Lawf6r6Ab0y8ha0satSjx.html), cars are not in parc ferme during FP2 during sprint weekends.
Lol these guys are clowns.
That poor rear wing... All it ever wanted in life was to give Lewis some DRS along the straights... Rest well son you'll be missed
Watch them sanction Merc for using an illegal wing a second time 😂😂
I saw earlier that Mercedes said they thought it could be a 'manufacturing error'. Will the stewards check their other wing at the end of FP2 and if the gap is exceeded again then it could be seen as less deliberate?
Still in wing jail
But is this wing one of the flexi-wings Red Bull raised questions about yesterday? Still curious to see how that will play into everything, getting overshadowed by the DRS issue.
If I was LH I'd drive these laps about 0.5seconds slower to wind everyone up online. Because I know I'm getting a DQ, and I know that means the championship is completely over. So time to troll some twitter.
Oh, and then my final lap I'd do at proper pace.
Maybe the wrong might have some damage why else would ur take so long
Jesus why is it taking so long for the FIA to make a decision
Because they know they have to give a punishment, but cant because the CS will be over, yet that's something they say isn't in their agenda.
Its pretty clear that the DRS is outside the rules, so that's the only conclusion I can think off.
I hate FIA. Never biting the hand that feeds them.
Are they going to sort this out before sprint starts, aren’t they?