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NuclearMoose92

Just give us the verdict, my phone is gonna die


BeagleAteMyLunch

lower the brightness immediately!


RocketMoped

It’s already in FIA brightness mode


Agent4nderson

That is VERY dim


YnxTuR

Can't phone under Parc fermé


jcrankin22

Kill all apps running in the background besides Reddit!


ro7an

Low battery mode


BadControllerUser

slow button mode


NuclearMoose92

I can't get the reddit on extreme battery saver


MACintoshBETH

Bono my phone’s gone


Palmerstroll

thats the penalty


TWVer

Set phasers to stun!


-SpiderBoat-

Do a charge lap


Conflikt

Give us the verdict or I'm gonna die.


mydogismental

Enable battery magic


Somewhere_Direct

Put it in Flight mode and switch on the WiFi


Mick4Audi

Turn off blutooth


kibitzer_01

Bono, my battery!


deadenddivision

Red bull takes your wings


quevv

Nice


BeagleAteMyLunch

Super Max breaks them!


Mole_person1

Or gives you the strength to break them


R1CkO556

If I read the word parc ferme once more I SWEAR TO GOD....


potaquemepariu

Technically it's 2 words.


HowyaLove0161

Why I oughta


grabdatgram

This is the sort of pedantry I live for


potatetoe_tractor

Technically correct is the best kind of correct


IncidentalIncidence

Stewards rn: >Parc Ferme Rules > > 1) You can’t just be up there and just breakin’ parc ferme like that. > > 1a. parc ferme is when you > >1b. Okay well listen. A park ferme is when you park the > >1c. Let me start over > >1c-a. The driver is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, car, that changes the car from being, you know, how it was. You can’t do that. > >1c-b. Once the drvier is out of the car, he can’t be over here and say to the other, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna check your wing! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that. > >1c-b(1). Like, if you’re out of the car and then see someone else's car, you're still out of the car. You cannot not be out of the car. Does that make any sense? > >1c-b(2). You gotta be, done with the session, and then, until you just go to the garage. > >1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can still be in the area up here, like this, but then there’s the parc ferme you gotta think about. > > 1c-b(2)-b. Enrico Fermi hasn’t been in any history books in forever. I hope he wasn’t typecast as that atom guy in Chicago. > >1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, he was at Columbia too! That would be even worse. > >1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A parc ferme is when the session is over and, as determined by, you know, the car has to, you know, be how it was > >2) Do not break parc ferme please >


Kvetch__22

What is this a crossover episode? Top tier memery happening right here.


GoodKidSpence

There is a similar pasta for the baseball balk rules


Kvetch__22

Yes, hence the crossover episode.


crackalac

/r/baseball is leaking.


zepfloyd0987

"Well I didn't expect this kind of Spanish inquisition."


Saneless

Makes more sense than the actual


seattle_1989

Parc ferme


Xphex

Pork farmy


Buffythedragonslayer

Parque cerrado?


Ad0lfie

Puerto formidablé


SoftBellyButton

What has Giovinazzi's dad got to do with this.


Beeblerox_296

बंद बाग़


dreamingyesterday

Closed park


ObviousIntention8270

Closed park.


XIMMENSEOLIx

Okay but is Bottas getting a new engine?


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Rektile7

Not even the car lmao


DL14Nibba

…..very nice mental image that


f0rt1t-ude

how are they going to get it inside Bottas?


Rektile7

"Okay Valtteri, bend over the desk, grab the other end of it..."


f1_spelt_as_bot

Val**tt**e**r**i


f0rt1t-ude

paging rule34


Platypus-Music

Oh my


jaydec02

It’s only 1.6 liters he can just open wide


SomeKideoeooeoeo

Otherwise Lewis will be lonely at the back


SomeKideoeooeoeo

Asking the real questions here


a-kiwi-fan

That's quite an engineous idea!


yusufl61

Why? Am i missing something?


PotentPlum

Mercedes have been given permission to run a different wing all weekend before the FIA comes to a decision.


Fine-Cloud-4847

The decision comes up after the race to start from pitlane.


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a-kiwi-fan

Only thing more likely is Seb being penalized


SemIdeiaProNick

and Bottas taking a new engine just as a precaution


awesomegamer919

I wonder if the FIA are looking at Hamilton's FP2 results to see if they indicate whether the wing was opened for the entire qualifying or if it was potentially damaged. I don't think it was, and it's likely that he'll be stuck starting from pitlane, but as the Stewards the pressure on you is about as heavy as is possible, so I'd assume they're looking at every single possible bit of information.


Lightning-06

I can’t imagine the meltdown


SubcooledBoiling

Mercedes: "Can we have the wing back?" Stewards: "It's OUR wing now"


TheDeityRyan

That makes sense but how can it take so long to make a decision


Rhapsodic_jock108

They have to give a decision before Sprint I think. Maybe they are deliberating?


rietjesbeker

For more suspense... /s


MarkVarga

They're thinking real hard on how to wash Merc out of this


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skulljumper

Pretty sure Vettel has 4, not 2.


memobesne

He meant 2x2


ddthrow1233

JUST TELL US IF ITS A PIT LANE START FOR FUCKS SAKE


Southportdc

FIA just gonna keep it and hope everyone forgets. It's called the 'British Museum method of conflict resolution'.


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I think so too... They'll still probably DSQ the quali result, meaning Hamilton will start from last in sprint quali, but they'll say that since we impounded the wing, we give them permission to change the wing without breaking parc ferme... So, no pit lane start required. The likely outcome, if they do that, would be that Hamilton probably starts somewhere around 15th-16th tomorrow in the race instead from the pits.


Raikaze9

Well, qualifying yesterday was to set the grid for the sprint today, so it's all about where he starts the sprint at. I can see the argument for a pit lane start tomorrow but, the qualifying session that the infringement happened in was for the sprint not the GP itself.


boggan583

What a fucking clownshow. It's been 12 hours and they can't rule on how wide an opening is on a wing. How can you be THIS incompetent


dafencer93

They're just trying to word it so that in the end, nothing to the championship happens


boggan583

Just like at Silverstone, result/outcomes in the championship should be irrelevant. This is pretty cut and dry stuff


Mythic343

If it was someone like vettel they would have decided yesterday.. The outcome obviously matters way too much to FIA so they should just stop bullshiting with that


boggan583

It does not. Lewis wrecked Max and he got 5 seconds and is the only reason he has a chance in this championship. There's your proof that result doesn't matter and if they change their mind here that's unacceptable


jjg-tv

I still cannot believe that after all this time there are still a subset of fans that think Lewis got a 5 second penalty at Silverstone. It was 10 seconds for fuck sake and he outdrove it, please just deal with it and move on


boggan583

OH I'M SO SORRY 10 SECONDS MY BAD. SO MUCH WORSE


jjg-tv

And here is the basis of the problem, it's conveniently never a big enough penalty so you can continue to play the FIA bad card when it comes to Merc/Lewis penalties.


dafencer93

I agree, but the FIA might not


boggan583

If they give special allowance here we should all stop watching F1


TheJeck

You say that, but let's be honest we won't. Just like us all saying we shouldn't race in countries with bad human rights, none of us are switching off for the rest of the season.


drgroove909

lmfao spoken like someone that's never watched a sport before


VinhoVerde21

You do realize that the only reason there is a championship fight in the first place is because the FIA arranged for it to be so, right? This wouldn't be anything new.


MM556

I'm fully expecting a nothing verdict here so it continues as though nothing has happened


ItisBlackandBlue

It's a decision that will weight heavily on the championship. I don't care if it takes them a bit more time as long as it is fair. Better safe than sorry.


carl_song

The longer it takes the more I'm concerned it won't be a fair decision tbh.


Redditor_exe

A rule is a rule, it shouldn’t matter if it affects the championship or not. You break the rule, you face the established consequences. If not, this is just setting a very bad future precedent.


boggan583

It is gross incompetence it's taken this long.


afcrf1886

Old F5


Hoodxd

This ain't it, 4/10 F5


vonGlick

Monday morning, FIA: Hamilton should have had started from pit lane.


Goingone

We should have a decision by Monday


Rashy17

Good..Give decision now


SimpleFactor

JUST TELL US


Autistigasmatic

Parc ferme rules clearly state that the wing must be replaced by one of equally illegal specification.


Zeusmoir

Yup how the fuck


PinnenJaGraag

Damn, we want news


hoppema0180

FIA masterplan


Exploratorum

Yes, Chris Medland told us.


Benzona-

The other wing is still in naughty wing prison


irrelevantadvisor

So we have a Verdict? FIA: *Well yes, but actually no*


egzon27

How have they still not taken a decision?? I mean it's either a technical infringement or not, they should be more decisive, they can't run away from this decision


Tiny_Rick00

This is getting ridiculous


tipytopmain

The wing is jailed without bail.


prograMagar

Wth.. Break one rule to avoid breaking another


LightningGeek

They're not breaking a rule. The FIA have given them permission to use another wing for second practice.


faratto_

Yeah but it's no sense. They can also give the permission to install a rocket ship engine on the alpine of alonso, but it's not how it works. I'm pretty sure all the paddock is very pissed, especially the small teams


LightningGeek

We're not talking about adding a rocket engine to a car though, we're talking about replacing a rear wing with another legal rear wing, purely for the practice session. This new wing is most likely of the same spec as the one removed, and as such, is perfectly legal to be fitted to the Merc. Exactly the same as if a team was replacing a wing that was damaged in qualifying.


faratto_

That wing allowed them to beat the 2nd mercedes by 5 tenths, it's not something you replace so easy. Btw you have a fair point, but at that point I don't understand why they don't already penalized mercedes if the wing wasn't legal


JustLTU

I'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. Changing parts for an identical spec was always allowed under Parc Ferme with FIA supervision. That's how people fix broken parts after qualifying. What this means is that the wing spec itself is legal, and the wing ran in qualy probably had a defect that made it open a bit wider.


davie18

Especially the small teams? Why would they care? They aren’t battling Mercedes.


faratto_

Because maybe one day they would like to battle with them, just saying. Even rb has some problems to let an illegal wing to be penalized, so maybe sauber next year will have even more problems if they will be the only team to compete with mercedes/rb/ferrari


Florac

Does it really matter for fp2 though? So far not a free switch for a competitive session


Jek22

It does for Mercedes, they might have to change setup if they have to use another wing.


prograMagar

Yeah.. It does because quality happened already right.


SKnightVN

This isn't actually breaking a rule. You can run different configurations in practice, this doesn't mean they can run this wing in the race without needing to start from the pitlane. Benson's tweet is either phrased poorly or he's wrong. Medland explains it better: >It's a practice session, so it doesn't necessarily have to be damaged or broken to be replaced at this point. That change doesn't suggest anything in terms of an outcome, before anyone reads too much into it! #F1 #BrazilGP


prograMagar

Ok it is FP, but it's after quali. So they can't change anything. Or am I wrong?


myahkey

"**How does Parc Ferme work?** Rules forbid the changing of major components in Parc Ferme to avoid teams moving to create special ‘qualifying cars’ while also limiting the number of hours required for preparing the car for the following day. However, some wriggle room on car reconfiguration is permitted to make Saturday’s FP2 session more useful. For safety reasons, teams can change brake friction material for a new, identical set that was used in qualifying and F1 Sprint ahead of the Grand Prix. Brake ducts can be changed, too. Allowances have been made for power unit and gearbox cooling adjustments should the ambient temperature change significantly (a change of 10C or more recorded by the FIA’s appointed weather service provider) while weight distribution may be altered. Should a front wing be damaged in F1 Sprint, for example, and the team has run out of latest specification front wings, they can run a previously used specification without penalty. Previously a change of specification, either for a new or older component, would have triggered a penalty. Between qualifying and F1 Sprint, teams are permitted to change or adjust suspension elements – springs and dampers – or alter camber, toe or ride height of suspension components defined in Article 10.3 of the Technical Regulations." Per https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-new-sprint-qualifying-format-including.1Lawf6r6Ab0y8ha0satSjx.html


JustLTU

They can, if it's identical spec and FIA have to supervise the change.


myahkey

FP2 is under park ferme on sprint weekends with some minor allowances https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-new-sprint-qualifying-format-including.1Lawf6r6Ab0y8ha0satSjx.html


SKnightVN

FP2 is not under Parc Ferme as your own link shows: >The cars will then enter Parc Ferme after FP1, **before being released for FP2**, which will take place on Saturday morning. Here, they will be able to use one set of tyres, of their choice. >They will then return to Parc Ferme ahead of F1 Sprint, before being placed back in the quarantined environment overnight ahead of Sunday’s race.


myahkey

If it wasn't under parc ferme then the teams would have had full reign on changing car setup which they don't. They can change parts to the same/older spec however, but my understanding is that they have to get the FIA approval regardless. Which is what Merc did. See "How does Parc Ferme work" section. If cars weren't under parc ferme in FP2 we would have had car setups specifically for quali, and a setup change for sprint/race


SKnightVN

No, they'd have to change them back for the (sprint) race. You can experiment during FP2 but not use any of that in subsequent sessions, which is why it usually doesn't happen. FP2 is not under Parc Ferme, everything around it is.


myahkey

> Much of this weekend involves doing normal race weekend things in a different order. Parc Fermé is one of those. As usual, Parc Fermé conditions will be imposed the first time the car leaves the garage in Q1 – which, in the context of this weekend, means shortly after 18:00 on Friday evening. After this, the mechanical configuration of the car is fixed: no changes to any set-up parameters; no fitting different bodywork etc. > There are a few tweaks to the parc fermé regulations with a little more leeway on things like replacing brakes, or fitting older-spec bodywork without penalty (if you biff all of your latest-generation front wings in sprint quali, you can fit an older model for the race without having to start from the pit lane) – but, in essence, your set-up work is wrapped up before the sun goes down on Friday [Red Bull's article before Silverstone.](https://www.redbull.com/int-en/redbullracing/f1-sprint-explained) So yes, your setup is fixed after quali on Friday.


slickshot123

I thought this was it lmaoo


Skytoucher

The scenes if he tops FP


HondaV-TecPowerrrr

This decision is taking long good god


Sondu79

Everyone will have to replace their F5 keys after this whole thing lmao


FormulaSpur

Interesting development... ...F5


TiNcHoX7

I think max won't finish on Sunday, someone is going to take him out.


OriMoriNotSori

Why is it taking so long for a verdict? Isn't it quite clear cut since it fail the ball test?


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reebellious

What if he gains even more time?


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reebellious

I wasn't planning on watching any of Americas races yet here I am watching FP2 😩


FartingBob

Toto: *opens the crate marked "safe rear wing, only use if fia are nearby"*


neandertales

How is this still going on..


NikosYp

They re not going to to anything imo, mercs are so deep in the fia that they are the ones running it. Fia is just trying to find an excuse not to punish them. If there is no appropriate penalty for Ham, there is no point even continue watching the sport. It's just a mercedes series. Half a sec in a redbull track, with an illegal wing and who knows what else, and they ll walk away.


nnsdgo

This is all clearly Bottas fault. He was alongside Max and didn't defend Lewis car.


Cod_Metal_King

Leave Bottas out of it. This clearly Marcus Ericsson’s doing.


xperiin

So they can use a different (new) one, obtain info using the new one and its still under “parc ferme”? Lol


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lonelyswe

god you are sad


Firecrash

Silverstone, pitstop directive, must I go on?


lonelyswe

This year's regs were there to fuck Merc lmao


Admiral_de_Ruyter

Dude calm down. It’s just a free practice. They have allowed him to bolt on another wing so he can take part in said free practice. The illegal wing is still compounded so he can’t use that one.


taacc192

absolutely ridiculous from the fia


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Why?


thphwh

ANDREW NOT NOW


SenorProudy

As long as he pays the consequences for it if the old one is found to be illegal or is forced to mount the old one if found legal


the_sammyd

What a farce


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This is a certified bruh moment


AK97u

Can't wait for Red Bull to complain about this lol


Tommy9fff

Man this is embarrassing


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Wonder which setup they will use. Only a couple of minutes before we find out


TheTechGuy30

Come on stewards, just tell us something right now


tyknabb

BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN


konghon

VERDICT NEEDED


JPGarbo

THE DRAMA


binkie96

How big is the chance they will make a verdict during the fp? Can i let my phone rest?


AAMGR

Not that high. We can probably expect it before the sprint or the actual race


HadOneJob_

Is this the drama that guy with the Oscar in Mexico was writing for Hamilton?


TheOnionWatch

They should make Hamilton try and match or exceed his qualifying time with a new wing in FP2 to see if there was any advantage.


EccentricClassic3125

How long will this keep going onnnnnn


Pantang_Menyerah

So whattt


overmypenislessbody

Was there a change in regulations for the sprint weekend regarding parc ferme? [As per this article](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-new-sprint-qualifying-format-including.1Lawf6r6Ab0y8ha0satSjx.html), cars are not in parc ferme during FP2 during sprint weekends.


huntnemo

Lol these guys are clowns.


i_am_the_punisher

That poor rear wing... All it ever wanted in life was to give Lewis some DRS along the straights... Rest well son you'll be missed


Ajacied22

Watch them sanction Merc for using an illegal wing a second time 😂😂


progressionbikes

I saw earlier that Mercedes said they thought it could be a 'manufacturing error'. Will the stewards check their other wing at the end of FP2 and if the gap is exceeded again then it could be seen as less deliberate?


Dreamwalkerli

Still in wing jail


greatdaytobeaprof

But is this wing one of the flexi-wings Red Bull raised questions about yesterday? Still curious to see how that will play into everything, getting overshadowed by the DRS issue.


Oomeegoolies

If I was LH I'd drive these laps about 0.5seconds slower to wind everyone up online. Because I know I'm getting a DQ, and I know that means the championship is completely over. So time to troll some twitter. Oh, and then my final lap I'd do at proper pace.


PotatoMan19399

Maybe the wrong might have some damage why else would ur take so long


Ikcatcher

Jesus why is it taking so long for the FIA to make a decision


Tummerd

Because they know they have to give a punishment, but cant because the CS will be over, yet that's something they say isn't in their agenda. Its pretty clear that the DRS is outside the rules, so that's the only conclusion I can think off.


AnthonyTyrael

I hate FIA. Never biting the hand that feeds them.


BeanTownDataFreak

Are they going to sort this out before sprint starts, aren’t they?